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bored waiting

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In order to preserve the integrity of other Threads, Im just popping this on the board. If people have questions about what the Drs do and why or what I as an NHS consultant currently banned ( im human too ) thinks about things whilst awaiting the return of my licence, ask me here.

Nothing I say here from a medical point of view is a substitute to speaking to your own Dr and I suggest you do but I might be able to help clarify the odd question. However I would add this

1. The only way to completely ensure there is no problem with your CDT is to stop drinking !
2. The only way to pass your urine test is to stop doing drugs.

If your a fellow colleague in the health services and have a question for somebody who's been through it and waiting for licence return good luck ! I feel your pain. Ive not only had to go to court , been charged twice , been to rehab, been to the GMC , had a tribunal, had to work under scrutiny, and you know what ive survived and you can too !

( Im a full time NHS UK trained, born and bred white middle aged man, ive got several degrees , but I was still stupid I had reasons, but still stupid - all views are my own, unless they are fact )
 

price1367

TTC Group
Thank you for offering your insights on drink driving to people on this forum.
Over the years I came across a wide variety or people on the Drink Drive Rehabilitation Courses.
I came to the conclusion that sober people would never consider it acceptable to drink drive, but when they had a few drinks common sense went straight out of the window.
They included all sorts of professions….…. Police officers, teachers, (including one of my own teachers from years ago) solicitors, actors, manual workers, office workers and yes, a few doctors.
The one I remember the best was helpful on day 2 of a course when we discuss the implications on your health from drinking alcohol. It turned out that he was a consultant specialising in liver disorders and he presented a fascinating 20 minute presentation on Fatty livers and cirrhosis.
 

bored waiting

Well-known member
Yes no one is immune to the negative aspects of alcohol. Nobody would have predicted that me , ME , would have been arrested and charged with DD ( twice in 2 weeks ). Ive never done anything like it before and would never have imagined that id do it, but I did and now im going through the same process as everyone else.

Personally I had some trauma and this led to a depressive period and I drank and then the drink became as big a problem as the original trauma that caused the depression. Thankfully ive come through it all and im in a much better place personally .

But the process isn't a pleasant experience as we all know.

I loved my course and I found it really useful. Most people in my profession don't advertise what we do but on occasion we pop up and say hello I can tell you about that. Hopefully I can help here. Myself im not a liver specialist but a lung and cancer specialist.

This is a nice forum and it provides and you personally provide a lot of good sensible information. If I can help with medical questions I will.
 

NileR

Well-known member
In order to preserve the integrity of other Threads, Im just popping this on the board. If people have questions about what the Drs do and why or what I as an NHS consultant currently banned ( im human too ) thinks about things whilst awaiting the return of my licence, ask me here.

Nothing I say here from a medical point of view is a substitute to speaking to your own Dr and I suggest you do but I might be able to help clarify the odd question. However I would add this

1. The only way to completely ensure there is no problem with your CDT is to stop drinking !
2. The only way to pass your urine test is to stop doing drugs.

If your a fellow colleague in the health services and have a question for somebody who's been through it and waiting for licence return good luck ! I feel your pain. Ive not only had to go to court , been charged twice , been to rehab, been to the GMC , had a tribunal, had to work under scrutiny, and you know what ive survived and you can too !

( Im a full time NHS UK trained, born and bred white middle aged man, ive got several degrees , but I was still stupid I had reasons, but still stupid - all views are my own, unless they are fact )
I've said to you before that it takes real strength and nerve for you to be here and say you do what you do.
I think it is very admirable that you have done so and also been so frank about it.
It must have been an incredibly hard time for you.
Doctors have always been given a very high social status, are held in such high esteem and are supposed to be infallible.
They are under enough scrutiny as it is with such high standards they are expected to live up to in both their professional and private lives and what you went through must have been professionally and personally very difficult.
The whole BMA and tribunal experiences and worries must have been on a different level altogether.

Hopefully the press did not play a part in this. I was aware that doctors may be under some supervision after returning to work after such discrepancies.
 

bored waiting

Well-known member
I've said to you before that it takes real strength and nerve for you to be here and say you do what you do.
I think it is very admirable that you have done so and also been so frank about it.
It must have been an incredibly hard time for you.
Doctors have always been given a very high social status, are held in such high esteem and are supposed to be infallible.
They are under enough scrutiny as it is with such high standards they are expected to live up to in both their professional and private lives and what you went through must have been professionally and personally very difficult.
The whole BMA and tribunal experiences and worries must have been on a different level altogether.

Hopefully the press did not play a part in this. I was aware that doctors may be under some supervision after returning to work after such discrepancies.
thankfully no press at my court case.
the police reported my arrest to the GMC
I wasn't aware that they had done it - I was never told
After I was arrested I took some leave and got the help I needed
Once I came home again I self referred myself to the GMC , as its expected that we work and live to a higher standard. ( and some people wonder why my profession is full of ego maniacs )

After I self referred I discovered I was already under investigation.
My court case was dealt with by the magistrates and that was that.

Then I had to attend a tribunal at the GMC in Manchester
I was deemed to have a medical condition that could affect my work ( at the time of my offence I was on leave and not at work in the week before and afterwards - I was entirely on my own time)

Following the tribunal , management at my hospital were contacted and told what had happened and that the GMC were then restricting my practice, and so I had to have a named senior Dr at work "supervise me"

I had to be interviewed by 2 separate psychiatrists ( both of whom I found to be ....awful)

They then wrote a report on me and it went back to GMC.

The GMC held another "trial" type tribunal to review the report

I was found to have a medical condition that affected my ability to deliver care and so I was placed on restricted practice indefinetly,
I was assigned a GMC appointed psychiatrist and I have to meet them every 3 months. I have to have a CDT and full blood tests every three months. I have been "forbidden" to drink any alcohol. I cannot now change jobs , change what I do , even break wind (feels like) without telling the GMC and getting their approval.

Its now over 2 years and the person who sees me every 3 months has suggested that the restrictions can be removed. So he has to write to the GMC and they then have to consider his recommendations and decide if I can be restored to full registration or not.

My ban has come and gone but the GMC are still up my backside.

That's what happens in our work if you make a mistake. I developed severe depression following a death and murder case I had been involved in. I also had family changes at home that caused a worsening of depression. I took time off and whilst in the midst of the depression, I got drunk and whilst I never actually drove whilst drunk. It was suggested I did and at the time I didn't even try to stop the whole arrest or fight it, I was not in a right state of mind at all. But that's come and gone and Im now in a good place thankfully.

So here I am , almost 6 months post ban, no licence and the GMC still poking into my life. In fact I had another CDT this week , 0.8% ( over 2 years abstinent )

Personally the GMC stuff at this point is just an annoyance, but the restriction on life by not being able to drive is immense.

We all have a story. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I was ill but thankfully Im better and , on the whole much better as a man for having survived it all. The DVLA delays however are like an extra knifing that I could live without. Most of my colleagues aren't aware of what's happened , but they know something has.

For me its not nerve and strength ( but I appreciate the nod ), its about honesty. Honesty with myself and that has been what's kept me well thankfully. I am however not giving up my complete anonymity on this board, as that would be silly.

Hope everyones having a good Saturday. I hope somebody is getting a letter saying here's your licence and somebody is perhaps getting back into a car again today. Lets hope we all learn from our mistakes and get back to freedom soon :)
 

Rayson

Well-known member
thankfully no press at my court case.
the police reported my arrest to the GMC
I wasn't aware that they had done it - I was never told
After I was arrested I took some leave and got the help I needed
Once I came home again I self referred myself to the GMC , as its expected that we work and live to a higher standard. ( and some people wonder why my profession is full of ego maniacs )

After I self referred I discovered I was already under investigation.
My court case was dealt with by the magistrates and that was that.

Then I had to attend a tribunal at the GMC in Manchester
I was deemed to have a medical condition that could affect my work ( at the time of my offence I was on leave and not at work in the week before and afterwards - I was entirely on my own time)

Following the tribunal , management at my hospital were contacted and told what had happened and that the GMC were then restricting my practice, and so I had to have a named senior Dr at work "supervise me"

I had to be interviewed by 2 separate psychiatrists ( both of whom I found to be ....awful)

They then wrote a report on me and it went back to GMC.

The GMC held another "trial" type tribunal to review the report

I was found to have a medical condition that affected my ability to deliver care and so I was placed on restricted practice indefinetly,
I was assigned a GMC appointed psychiatrist and I have to meet them every 3 months. I have to have a CDT and full blood tests every three months. I have been "forbidden" to drink any alcohol. I cannot now change jobs , change what I do , even break wind (feels like) without telling the GMC and getting their approval.

Its now over 2 years and the person who sees me every 3 months has suggested that the restrictions can be removed. So he has to write to the GMC and they then have to consider his recommendations and decide if I can be restored to full registration or not.

My ban has come and gone but the GMC are still up my backside.

That's what happens in our work if you make a mistake. I developed severe depression following a death and murder case I had been involved in. I also had family changes at home that caused a worsening of depression. I took time off and whilst in the midst of the depression, I got drunk and whilst I never actually drove whilst drunk. It was suggested I did and at the time I didn't even try to stop the whole arrest or fight it, I was not in a right state of mind at all. But that's come and gone and Im now in a good place thankfully.

So here I am , almost 6 months post ban, no licence and the GMC still poking into my life. In fact I had another CDT this week , 0.8% ( over 2 years abstinent )

Personally the GMC stuff at this point is just an annoyance, but the restriction on life by not being able to drive is immense.

We all have a story. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I was ill but thankfully Im better and , on the whole much better as a man for having survived it all. The DVLA delays however are like an extra knifing that I could live without. Most of my colleagues aren't aware of what's happened , but they know something has.

For me its not nerve and strength ( but I appreciate the nod ), its about honesty. Honesty with myself and that has been what's kept me well thankfully. I am however not giving up my complete anonymity on this board, as that would be silly.

Hope everyones having a good Saturday. I hope somebody is getting a letter saying here's your licence and somebody is perhaps getting back into a car again today. Lets hope we all learn from our mistakes and get back to freedom soon :)
I respect your views and comments and as you are a GP would appreciate your thoughts on my situation prior to receiving my licence back after a very long ban.
For a period of 3 years after my ban I had a blood test every 6 months and therefore when I finally reapplied for my license, I had an evidential trail of ‘no alcohol abuse’ with my GP. This I’m sure helped my case.
 

Emsy

Member
thankfully no press at my court case.
the police reported my arrest to the GMC
I wasn't aware that they had done it - I was never told
After I was arrested I took some leave and got the help I needed
Once I came home again I self referred myself to the GMC , as its expected that we work and live to a higher standard. ( and some people wonder why my profession is full of ego maniacs )

After I self referred I discovered I was already under investigation.
My court case was dealt with by the magistrates and that was that.

Then I had to attend a tribunal at the GMC in Manchester
I was deemed to have a medical condition that could affect my work ( at the time of my offence I was on leave and not at work in the week before and afterwards - I was entirely on my own time)

Following the tribunal , management at my hospital were contacted and told what had happened and that the GMC were then restricting my practice, and so I had to have a named senior Dr at work "supervise me"

I had to be interviewed by 2 separate psychiatrists ( both of whom I found to be ....awful)

They then wrote a report on me and it went back to GMC.

The GMC held another "trial" type tribunal to review the report

I was found to have a medical condition that affected my ability to deliver care and so I was placed on restricted practice indefinetly,
I was assigned a GMC appointed psychiatrist and I have to meet them every 3 months. I have to have a CDT and full blood tests every three months. I have been "forbidden" to drink any alcohol. I cannot now change jobs , change what I do , even break wind (feels like) without telling the GMC and getting their approval.

Its now over 2 years and the person who sees me every 3 months has suggested that the restrictions can be removed. So he has to write to the GMC and they then have to consider his recommendations and decide if I can be restored to full registration or not.

My ban has come and gone but the GMC are still up my backside.

That's what happens in our work if you make a mistake. I developed severe depression following a death and murder case I had been involved in. I also had family changes at home that caused a worsening of depression. I took time off and whilst in the midst of the depression, I got drunk and whilst I never actually drove whilst drunk. It was suggested I did and at the time I didn't even try to stop the whole arrest or fight it, I was not in a right state of mind at all. But that's come and gone and Im now in a good place thankfully.

So here I am , almost 6 months post ban, no licence and the GMC still poking into my life. In fact I had another CDT this week , 0.8% ( over 2 years abstinent )

Personally the GMC stuff at this point is just an annoyance, but the restriction on life by not being able to drive is immense.

We all have a story. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I was ill but thankfully Im better and , on the whole much better as a man for having survived it all. The DVLA delays however are like an extra knifing that I could live without. Most of my colleagues aren't aware of what's happened , but they know something has.

For me its not nerve and strength ( but I appreciate the nod ), its about honesty. Honesty with myself and that has been what's kept me well thankfully. I am however not giving up my complete anonymity on this board, as that would be silly.

Hope everyones having a good Saturday. I hope somebody is getting a letter saying here's your licence and somebody is perhaps getting back into a car again today. Lets hope we all learn from our mistakes and get back to freedom soon :)
My goodness, I'm feeling depressed just reading your story. We all like to think we would never drink and drive, especially if in a high profile/professional role. For some its that one mistake that costs them dearly, the shame with friends and family, then the countless issues with work and career. For others, they just don't think they will get caught. The pain and consequences is still being accountable after such a long period of time, so stressful! It does feel like when your waiting and waiting to hear from the DVLA, the punishment continues, many in limbo, not being able to work, further frustration as the months pass by. Like you say, the restriction on life by not being able to drive has many repercussions. You are incredibly brave to share your story and it will help many and give hope. It's reassuring to know that you can still be positive and finally in a good place!
 
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