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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton View Post
    I cannot give you any advice on how to reduce the time of your disqualification as it's mandatory.
    However, I can offer you advice on how to dramatically reduce the size of the fine if you are interested.
    Any help with this would be fab,
    Thanks


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    OK no problem.

    I have proved over many years that if you are summoned to court and you are likely to
    receive a big fine, than make sure you don't have a job when you appear in court.
    It's not dodgy, it's a fact and I can prove it with examples of real court cases.
    Hewl thinks I am wrong and presenting dodgy information.
    OK Hewl then challenge me and prove me wrong and I will prove you wrong using facts rather
    than opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton View Post
    OK no problem.

    I have proved over many years that if you are summoned to court and you are likely to
    receive a big fine, than make sure you don't have a job when you appear in court.
    It's not dodgy, it's a fact and I can prove it with examples of real court cases.
    Hewl thinks I am wrong and presenting dodgy information.
    OK Hewl then challenge me and prove me wrong and I will prove you wrong using facts rather
    than opinions.
    I stand corrected! Please accept my apologies, your information it not dodgy at all.

    I didn't think you were presenting dodgy information tho, I thought you were going to and you have proved me wrong.

    Obviously I am unable to prove you wrong as you are correct so no need to prove me wrong. A fine is income based, something I am aware of.

    So.......you havent presented dodgy information at all but what you have presented is the biggest load of shyte advice I have seen in a while.

    To summorise for the OP, you will lose your licence for a minimum of 12 months so here's some good advice! Also be unemployed too to save on the fine!! What a moron!
    Last edited by hewl; 03-09-2018 at 09:36 PM.

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    You have a high paid job with a large salary and you need a driving licence
    in order to keep the job.
    You appear in court and receive a huge fine based upon your large salary.
    You then loose your job due to not having a driving licence and now have to pay
    the huge fine out of unemployment benefit.

    I'm saying If you are guaranteed to loose your job due to being disqualified,
    you will be far better off appearing in court without a job.

    Now as the fine is income based at the time you appear in court how can I
    possibly be wrong?

    Also under some circumstances a person loosing their job doesn't receive
    any unemployment benefit so appearing in court would result in no fine at all.

    There is an old saying that you cannot get blood out of a stone.
    You seem to think otherwise.
    Sorry you think I'm a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton View Post
    Sorry you think I'm a moron.
    Apology accepted

    I still do tho, even more so.
    Last edited by hewl; 03-10-2018 at 09:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton View Post
    You have a high paid job with a large salary and you need a driving licence
    in order to keep the job.
    You appear in court and receive a huge fine based upon your large salary.
    You then loose your job due to not having a driving licence and now have to pay
    the huge fine out of unemployment benefit.

    I'm saying If you are guaranteed to loose your job due to being disqualified,
    you will be far better off appearing in court without a job.

    Now as the fine is income based at the time you appear in court how can I
    possibly be wrong?

    Also under some circumstances a person loosing their job doesn't receive
    any unemployment benefit so appearing in court would result in no fine at all.

    There is an old saying that you cannot get blood out of a stone.
    You seem to think otherwise.
    Sorry you think I'm a moron.
    Some of this is right, but you indicated to the poster that you could help her reduce her fine but as her employer seems to be supportive, it will not.
    it is exceptional to not get a fine, unless a community order is imposed instead. A Band B fine is 125-175% of weekly disposeable income, but the lowest disposable income that is considered is £110. So even if you are on Jobseeker’s Allowance of £65 per week, your fine is based on £110 per week, plus every convicted person has to pay the victim surcharge of £20.
    I am not an employment specialist, or good on issues to do with unemployment benefits, but I think that if you leave your job intentionally, you have to wait quite a while to be able to get and benefits as you have rendered yourself unemployed, whereas if your employment is terminated by your employer you may qualify for benefits straight away. This might cancel out the savings on the fine. It also might make a difference to claiming on mortgage insurance, which could cost even more than the saving on the fine.
    All these things have to be considered before advising a person to abandon their job.

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    My comment wasn't an apology.
    I am sad to realise you are so stupid to think it was.
    OK so you are so stupid that you think it's better to go to court and
    get a large fine and then pay it out of unemployment benefit.

    I won't call you a moron however I consider you to be stupid ragarding money
    management.

    Quite simple really. If you are guaranteed to loose your job due to disqualification
    then the smaller the fine the better.

    Sadly you can't get that simple fact into your thick head.

    Well they do say that you can't educate Pork.

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    I think this debate would be far better if it was continued via private messages, the original poster is getting no benefit from the rudeness that is being displayed....

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    I was not going to bother with you but some people may see your reasoning, take it at face value, wrongly think it's a good idea and shoot themselves in the foot. It is for these people only I shall reply.

    "You have a high paid job with a large salary and you need a driving licence
    in order to keep the job."


    If you are that well paid perhaps employ the services of a chauffeur?

    "You appear in court and receive a huge fine based upon your large salary.
    You then loose your job due to not having a driving licence and now have to pay
    the huge fine out of unemployment benefit."


    Would it not be better to seek proper advice in the event of these circumstances?

    "I'm saying If you are guaranteed to loose your job due to being disqualified,
    you will be far better off appearing in court without a job."


    Nothing is guaranteed. How would that be far better off? Surely explaining to the court honestly that you will lose your job they can accomodate the fine to your change of circumstances. If you voluntarily make yourself unemployed I am pretty sure you do not qualify for unemployment benefit straight away so you would be in a much worse position financially anyway. Were you aware of that?

    "Now as the fine is income based at the time you appear in court how can I
    possibly be wrong?"


    It is yes but you can explain your circumstances are soon to drastically change. Magistrates are not ogres you know!

    "Also under some circumstances a person loosing their job doesn't receive
    any unemployment benefit so appearing in court would result in no fine at all."


    Well that would be a huge relief! Just need to worry about the mortgage and bills then or do you suggest making yourself homeless too?

    "There is an old saying that you cannot get blood out of a stone.
    You seem to think otherwise."


    Or maybe I suggest seeking alternatives to making yourself unemployed. Nothing is guaranteed so why put yourself in a worse position than before simply to save on a fine? It makes no sense at all and is very defeatest. There may be opportunities elsewhere within that company to work without the need for a licence or be driven as opposed to driving etc, its called communication and compromise. If you are that valuable to the company arrangements will be made for you.

    In this post the OP's boss is writing her a reference which suggests they are sympathetic and this incident will not result in her being dismissed. So how exactly is your 'information' useful to her in any way? She has a job and is keeping her job.

    In a nutshell, your information is highly flawed, without definitive thought and not helpful at all.

    Lots of people end up losing their jobs for many different reasons but surely under no circumstances do it to yourself. Thats just plain stupid.

    You have given no thought to the impact of being unemployed other than a lower fine so yes as my previous post stated I find you even more of a moron than before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by price1367 View Post
    I think this debate would be far better if it was continued via private messages, the original poster is getting no benefit from the rudeness that is being displayed....
    Very true Price, you are correct. I apologise to the original poster who is here for advise not bickering.

    Maybe I should have just said to voluntarily make yourself unemployed is not advisable and left it as that.

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