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Thread: Cdt returns to normal after 2-4 wks (abstinence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mclanelli View Post
    I think people have worked out what "chatjacker"s real intentions are on this forum. The username says it all really. Why anybody would choose such a username on a site like this with the hope of being taken seriously, I don't know.

    This individual has a serious attitude problem. You can see that from the pointless ramblings that follow any suggestion that his information may not be accurate. Miss-quotes and a morbid obsession of references to "googling" seem to feature heavily in this individuals poorly constructed grammar rants. Add to the mix the 1:30 am postings, and it is clear that this person is having difficulty filling the daytime hours with meaningful employment.

    One can only wonder as to why the offers aren't flooding in for the self proclaimed "extensive researcher"

    Not the sharpest tool in the box, but a tool none the less. You would hope that even the bluntest of instruments could be put to meaningful use throughout the day; sadly not, and much to our misfortune.

    On a final technical note, and not one of personality disorders: Smoking will possibly increase a persons sensitivity to CDT, when and only when alcohol/ethanol is consumed. Even then, the sensitivity is so moderate that it is irrelevant. Smoking is not known to cause false positives with regards to the CDT Test. Indeed, it would be illogical for the DVLA to have in place an alcohol measurement test that could be significantly influenced by smoking. If that was the case, then the DVLA would be inundated with successful appeals at Magistrate level by people who had failed the test; on the grounds that smoking had influenced their results. No such appeals have taken place, because smoking will have no effect on your final CDT percentage.

    I bid you adieu.

    M
    M, so you go onto my thread that states CDT timescales and claim its wrong because you have seen stuff on internet websites, and now you are complaining?! First of all if you have, as you said, seen info relating to alcohol biomarkers online then its safe to assume you have been busy on google. Right?
    So attacking my info by claiming it has come from copy pasting on the internet is a bit hypocritical.
    Secondly you claimed that smoking didnt have ANY affect on CDT biomarkers when I originally posted about it and i invited you to do more research and even told you where to get the info from...now suddenly you are quoting almost directly from the place i sent you to.. yet telling me I dont know what im am talking about.. You then print your massive U-turn in your comment above. Silly!

    Next you decide that you will attempt to rubbish my backed up claims with some kind of playschool attack on my user name, the time of day or night I choose to post on here and the employment status that you plucked from the same place as your 12 week timescale. This assumption of my job status clearly demonstrates your willingness to just use any info you can cling onto regardless of any meaningful evidence to back up your claim. And your reference to my lazy grammar stinks of desperation and is anto attempt to reduce credibility to the science backed info I have provided.

    The strange thing with you is you are arguing against the advice given by some of the worlds leading alcohol biomarker experts and organisations!!?? Why?? It really makes no sense. You come across as someone who craves lordship and adulation from ppl who are clearly lost for info and you get this by dishing out advice that you have absolutely nothing to back it up with.
    I have invited you so supply links to alcohol biomarker scientists and specialist biomarker institutions but you refuse to, instead saying you dont have the time and they can do it for themselves.. they wouldnt be asking on here would they or else they would have already done it.
    It seems the more evidence I produce tyhe more angry you get and resort to attempts at person whinges. Then claim that I have an attitude problem because I provided proper proof when you jumped on my thread to say I was wrong.

    As you mentioned my employment and the time of day I choose to post at I should just point out that I am not 12 years old so am allowed on the internet unsupervised... even after midnight. And as for my employment, well I am an employer and run a very successful business even with my "poor grammar" and objectional user name. As for being a tool you do realise that you have in your other post claimed you have had some of your info from the DVLA themselves??.. they get given a result and have no expertise in biomarkers lol.. another silly statement.

    Now lets draw a line under this. Either provide some solid evidence of the 12 week cdt biomarker scale, backed up by people who are specialist scientists or organisations in the field or dont bother attacking me personally or the info that I have provided with all the evidence needed from as high as source as you can get. But you wont and you have already looked im sure. Found nothing so decided on the comment you just made. c
    You clearly have problems with me being up late so i posted this before the watershed. Just for you!


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    Phil, you don't have to justify yourself to me, or your employment status. No need to get stressed old boy.

    Of course you have, of course you do, and of course you are.

    No problem Phil. You're than man.


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    Default Re: Cdt returns to normal after 2-4 wks (abstinence)

    Quote Originally Posted by chatjacker View Post
    ..........
    I have invited you so supply links to alcohol biomarker scientists and specialist biomarker institutions but you refuse to, instead saying you dont have the time and they can do it for themselves.. they wouldnt be asking on here would they or else they would have already done it.
    .........
    Now lets draw a line under this. Either provide some solid evidence of the 12 week cdt biomarker scale, backed up by people who are specialist scientists or organisations in the field or dont bother attacking me personally or the info that I have provided with all the evidence needed from as high as source as you can get. But you wont and you have already looked im sure. Found nothing so decided on the comment you just made. c
    You clearly have problems with me being up late so i posted this before the watershed. Just for you!
    This may help, I posted this just, on another thread:

    Below is a quote on a project working with alcoholics where their CDT levels were monitored over a 12 week period, you will see that their levels reduced by 30%. This is good, but it does not say what their base level was. If it was 4.2%, then a 30% reduction would have taken their reading down to 2.95% - still enough to be a fail, even after 12 weeks. This reflects the extreme end of alcohol consumption, which will not apply to most people coming here, but it does show that to say that 2-4 weeks abstenance WILL reduce your CDT to acceptable limits is flawed.
    The link to the quote is below and you will see that it was funded by an organisation that has been widely recommended by someone on this site...... The NIAAA !!

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...261.x/abstract

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    Biological markers of alcohol consumption have been used in both clinical and research settings to aid in the identification of relapse drinking. Although carbohydrate-deficient transferrin (CDT) has been shown to be a sensitive and specific marker for the identification of heavy drinkers, little data are available as to its utility as a marker for relapse drinking during treatment, particularly in comparison with the more widely used serum γ-glutamyltransferase (GGT). CDT and GGT were measured in 35 male alcoholics before entering, and every 4 weeks during, a 12-week outpatient treatment trial combining pharmacotherapy and cognitive behavioral therapy. CDT and GGT were again measured 14 weeks after completion of treatment. During the 12-week treatment period, CDT showed a significant difference in those individuals who abstained from drinking (30% decrease), compared with those who relapsed (10% increase).

    Whilst a healthy debate is good, and there is always room for interpretation of research, I would add that trading insults does not assist people coming to his site for information.
    Last edited by price1367; 02-05-2016 at 09:59 PM.

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    So what you going to do chat jacker??

    2-4 weeks or 12??

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    Had my medical thursday, dvla recieved results monday. Results put onto system Tuesday and its a pass. My licence was also issued on Tuesday so waiting for the postman! Thats 5 days from test to licence issued. No Doctors contact and its the full 10 years. Thankfully my ban was so long ago it will not affect my insurance! I got me happy face on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatjacker View Post
    Had my medical thursday, dvla recieved results monday. Results put onto system Tuesday and its a pass. My licence was also issued on Tuesday so waiting for the postman! Thats 5 days from test to licence issued. No Doctors contact and its the full 10 years. Thankfully my ban was so long ago it will not affect my insurance! I got me happy face on!
    That's great news!

    How long did you abstain from alcohol in the end?? What were you drinking and with what regularity?

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    I didnt stop drinking for the purpose of the test. I stopped drinking to improve my health and level of fitness and basically changed my lifestyle all together but this was about 12 weeks before I had the test. I was a heavy regular dinker so wouldnt have bothered applying for my licence untill i changed my lifestyle. My ban expired over ten years ago but I didnt see the point while I was a drinker.
    But about 4 weeks ago I had a lads weekend in Ireland and drunk through it with the rest of them and didnt hold back for the benefit of the test. After 3 days away I came back to my usual self.. I dont really drink water unless im cycling and due to a nasty sinus infection and a virus I have hardly eaten so not exactly been able to be as active (cycling) or eat well at all.. ive basically eaten whatever junk I could stomach so I have at least been eating something. Ive not taken vitamins, milk thistle or done anything else to help me to pass the test.
    Thankfully no more lads weekends planned this year, I had zero tolerance to alcohol.. it was hard work and something I wont miss!
    But the family days out and summer drives with the kids im looking forward to! (and throwing the bike and fishing tackle in the back and disappearing for the day ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatjacker View Post
    I didnt stop drinking for the purpose of the test. I stopped drinking to improve my health and level of fitness and basically changed my lifestyle all together but this was about 12 weeks before I had the test. I was a heavy regular dinker so wouldnt have bothered applying for my licence untill i changed my lifestyle. My ban expired over ten years ago but I didnt see the point while I was a drinker.
    But about 4 weeks ago I had a lads weekend in Ireland and drunk through it with the rest of them and didnt hold back for the benefit of the test. After 3 days away I came back to my usual self.. I dont really drink water unless im cycling and due to a nasty sinus infection and a virus I have hardly eaten so not exactly been able to be as active (cycling) or eat well at all.. ive basically eaten whatever junk I could stomach so I have at least been eating something. Ive not taken vitamins, milk thistle or done anything else to help me to pass the test.
    Thankfully no more lads weekends planned this year, I had zero tolerance to alcohol.. it was hard work and something I wont miss!
    But the family days out and summer drives with the kids im looking forward to! (and throwing the bike and fishing tackle in the back and disappearing for the day ...
    Well done on the lifestyle change. Takes quite a lot to turn ones life around! Quite something.

    Based on your experience, I'd say you were far into the clear by your medical and that single binge experience was good 3/4 weeks before that.

    Even if you needed 12 weeks, you did use that and had one drinking experience, which may have given a rise, but research indicates it should have cleared in two weeks.

    Well done mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by white43 View Post
    Well done on the lifestyle change. Takes quite a lot to turn ones life around! Quite something.

    Based on your experience, I'd say you were far into the clear by your medical and that single binge experience was good 3/4 weeks before that.

    Even if you needed 12 weeks, you did use that and had one drinking experience, which may have given a rise, but research indicates it should have cleared in two weeks.

    Well done mate.
    Thanks!.. My actual licence arrived in the post today, so 8 days from my medical to having my licence in my hand.. i'm pretty impressed with the DVLA after hearing so much negative stuff about them.
    Im going to sit here now and just stare at my licence for a good hour or so lol.. I had given up on the idea of driving again because I had so much of my lifestyle and attitude towards driving to change so I have to admit to being rather proud of having it now. And I conquered my fobia of needles at the same time.. mainly due to the examiner being so good at taking blood. So not a bad experience at all really!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatjacker View Post
    Thanks!.. My actual licence arrived in the post today, so 8 days from my medical to having my licence in my hand.. i'm pretty impressed with the DVLA after hearing so much negative stuff about them.
    Im going to sit here now and just stare at my licence for a good hour or so lol.. I had given up on the idea of driving again because I had so much of my lifestyle and attitude towards driving to change so I have to admit to being rather proud of having it now. And I conquered my fobia of needles at the same time.. mainly due to the examiner being so good at taking blood. So not a bad experience at all really!
    Good for you.

    Interesting that you abstained for 12 weeks not 4.

    Good luck.

    M

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