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    Default Are the drink driving laws in the UK adequate?

    Are the drink driving laws in the uk adequate? Is enough being done to prevent drink driving? Is enough being done to catch drink drivers? Are sentences too lenient or too severe?


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    Thumbs up Re: Are the drink driving laws in the UK adequate?

    THE DD LAWS ARE FAR TO SEVERE AND ACHIEVE VERY LITTLE, OTHER THAN CRIMINALIZING A LARGE PORTION OF THE UK POPULATION.


    MPs backing drink-drive car locks:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3986711.stm

    These are good 'thinking' ideas

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    Yes rather here than other corners of the world. For instance in some states in America, it is an offence to have alcohol in your car... even if you have been buying it. It must be in your boot/trunk. In some countries 35 mg which is the maximum you're allowed to drink is far beyond the legal limit.

    In some countries you'd get 40 lashes if caught sipping alcohol.... So yeah I say it's better over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recrec View Post
    THE DD LAWS ARE FAR TO SEVERE AND ACHIEVE VERY LITTLE, OTHER THAN CRIMINALIZING A LARGE PORTION OF THE UK POPULATION.


    MPs backing drink-drive car locks:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3986711.stm

    These are good 'thinking' ideas

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    There should be a 'drive to work' permit like they have elsewhere. One aim of the criminal justice system is to reduce offences. Becoming unemployed could make someone more prone to reoffending. The motorist would still have the inconveniance of not having transport for social purposes.

    A 12 month ban is sufficient punishment for a 1st time offender. Bans of 2 years (+) are counter productive in that those returning to the road could be a liability to other road users.

    Alcolocks are a good idea. There's legislation somewhere that if you get an alcolock fitted (at your own expense) your ban is halved. Unfortunately - there needs to be scheme on your area - and there are none of these schemes anywhere!

    I don't think there's a problem with the criminal punishment, which is in line with offences of a similar nature.

    Some places on the continent, although have lower tolerance, have lower punishment for low BAC readings such as fixed penalties with points and a small fine.
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    People talk of zero limit but it is just not workable in the uk due to our persistance of catching offenders and not educating the non offenders as all convicted drink drivers once were, we must face the fact that lots of uk licence holders in the uk drive a car whilst over the drink drive limit and a good few more play a risky game of thinking they know when they are under the limit and fit to drive,this being the case i would think with over zelous policing and the drop someone in it and win a prize culture there wouldnt be many people left on the road after 12 months.I say this as a convicted drink driver who has been on course to reduce my ban and i only wish i had been told a few facts about drink driving rather than go through what i have been through.

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    Default Re: Are the drink driving laws in the UK adequate?

    No.
    For over 30 years I have seen the consequences of ignorant people who think the rules dont apply to them. Drunk pedestrians are as much to blame I might add. What keeps them below the limit one day doenst mean the same another.
    I would advocate zero limit if it could be policed. There needs to be a greater emphasis on designated driver schemes. I am a designated driver, except when I go out with my husband and dont drink!

    There should not be one single insurance company that will cover a drunk driver- except for 3rd party liability. Why should those drivers wwho do not drink and drive and I am one of them carry the cost of the people who do. A £300 policy paying out on a £10000 car! CRIMINAL!!!

    The main reason I am not a drinking driver is that I see what happens to people and I dont want to be nursed by people who I know feel the same as me.

    I cant see how drunk drivers feel miffed at being considered a criminal.
    Its against the law to drink with above 80mg/100mls blood- a crime-

    A years ban and a £300 fine for my father in law- the fine in itself was dispicable in that he would have drunk double that in the time he was laying in an ITU bed for 10 weeks depriving others of vital emergency or post operative care due to his ignorant and selfish attitude tohis drinking and driving. He is 70 now and hardly likely to get another licence as he is sitting pretty having his family running him everywhere...just what is wrong with the bus I dont know!

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    Default Re: Are the drink driving laws in the UK adequate?

    your personal circumstances and relationship with your father in law aside...

    is this comment of yours correct for someone in the nursing profession? You appear to imply that certain people get lesser medical treatment from professional nurses?!

    "The main reason I am not a drinking driver is that I see what happens to people and I dont want to be nursed by people who I know feel the same as me"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutted View Post
    There should be a 'drive to work' permit like they have elsewhere. One aim of the criminal justice system is to reduce offences. Becoming unemployed could make someone more prone to reoffending. The motorist would still have the inconveniance of not having transport for social purposes.

    A 12 month ban is sufficient punishment for a 1st time offender. Bans of 2 years (+) are counter productive in that those returning to the road could be a liability to other road users.

    Alcolocks are a good idea. There's legislation somewhere that if you get an alcolock fitted (at your own expense) your ban is halved. Unfortunately - there needs to be scheme on your area - and there are none of these schemes anywhere!

    I don't think there's a problem with the criminal punishment, which is in line with offences of a similar nature.

    Some places on the continent, although have lower tolerance, have lower punishment for low BAC readings such as fixed penalties with points and a small fine.
    I agree with all of this. The UK regulations are far too rigid and disproportional for some offenders. For instance a self employed plumber is going to be hit far, far harder than some city office worker who commutes by train everyday.

    I can't see anything changing anytime soon though as each successive government seems hell bent on punishing its citizens harder than the last.

    It's a shame we don't utilise more intelligence drafting legislation and have less reliance on knee-jerk political grand standing.

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    The main reason I am not a drinking driver is that I see what happens to people and I dont want to be nursed by people who I know feel the same as me"

    Probably poorly written.
    No patient I personally have ever looked after has 'gone without' any medical or nursing need' as a result of my anti drinking and driving attitudes/beliefs. While I may not agree with some of my code of conduct I work well within it. I wouldnt like to risk my registration on a Drunk driver who feels he has been hard done by. I have looked after far worse with no change in my professional responsibility. A convicted murderer and paedophile being examples of the worst.
    I see the injuries they both sustain and inflict and dont particularly want a broken anything (regardless of how it happened.).


    However I know staff who have blatently ignored anything more than basic needs or will choose to attend to something else first and make them wait a while longer. This is often blatently obvious to other patients if the drunk driver has killed someone and with the way that the law is currently you know that a fine and losing the licence is probably all they will get if they get the 'right ' lawyer.

    "is this comment of yours correct for someone in the nursing profession? You appear to imply that certain people get lesser medical treatment from professional nurses?!"

    I often wonder where people get the idea that nurses and doctors are perfect, that we do not have a right to have an opinion. I have lots of dislikes but very few will prevent me from giving the highest standard of care as required to each individual patients needs. In a supervisory role I would not tolerate any less of my staff.
    But it happens.
    Oh and I do not eat, smoke or use the phone while I am driving either.


    "your personal circumstances and relationship with your father in law aside..."

    As for this, unlike my Father in law, I loved my Dad dearly and I would feel the same way if he had done the same thing- though I wouldnt have to pussy foot around him on the issue- He would be well aware of what he had done- Unfortunately he is dead, and is one of the very few people who appreciate my point of view, so I have no one to rant to.

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    Default Re: Are the drink driving laws in the UK adequate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladybones View Post
    The main reason I am not a drinking driver is that I see what happens to people and I dont want to be nursed by people who I know feel the same as me"

    Probably poorly written.
    No patient I personally have ever looked after has 'gone without' any medical or nursing need' as a result of my anti drinking and driving attitudes/beliefs. While I may not agree with some of my code of conduct I work well within it. I wouldnt like to risk my registration on a Drunk driver who feels he has been hard done by. I have looked after far worse with no change in my professional responsibility. A convicted murderer and paedophile being examples of the worst.
    I see the injuries they both sustain and inflict and dont particularly want a broken anything (regardless of how it happened.).


    However I know staff who have blatently ignored anything more than basic needs or will choose to attend to something else first and make them wait a while longer. This is often blatently obvious to other patients if the drunk driver has killed someone and with the way that the law is currently you know that a fine and losing the licence is probably all they will get if they get the 'right ' lawyer.

    "is this comment of yours correct for someone in the nursing profession? You appear to imply that certain people get lesser medical treatment from professional nurses?!"

    I often wonder where people get the idea that nurses and doctors are perfect, that we do not have a right to have an opinion. I have lots of dislikes but very few will prevent me from giving the highest standard of care as required to each individual patients needs. In a supervisory role I would not tolerate any less of my staff.
    But it happens.
    Oh and I do not eat, smoke or use the phone while I am driving either.


    "your personal circumstances and relationship with your father in law aside..."

    As for this, unlike my Father in law, I loved my Dad dearly and I would feel the same way if he had done the same thing- though I wouldnt have to pussy foot around him on the issue- He would be well aware of what he had done- Unfortunately he is dead, and is one of the very few people who appreciate my point of view, so I have no one to rant to.
    A typical female point of view...highly subjective, zero objectivity, and an incredible lack of the 'Bigger Picture!' Lets thank GOD your gender do not run the World...seriously, otherwise we all would of been 'vaporised' a long time ago!!!

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