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    "A typical female point of view...highly subjective, zero objectivity, and an incredible lack of the 'Bigger Picture!' Lets thank GOD your gender do not run the World...seriously, otherwise we all would of been 'vaporised' a long time ago!!! "

    From someone who 'admits' driving 3 times over them limit.
    Since I came to look at this forum. Its full of people trying to justify their drink driving .

    For may of you its not if, but when you kill someone or leave your family to pick up the pieces.

    I live the bigger picture with the pain and suffering the likes of you cause. Those of you who seem to think you have been hard done by, perhaps need to wake up before you kill somone.
    I would like to see drunk driving on a par with attempted murder...but then I am a typical female, highly subjective with zero objectivity who thinks drunk drivers are all murderers in waiting and vapourisation would be too good a way out for you. I personally dont want to run the world but your gender are not doing a great job either.
    I wonder how you would feel if a drunk driver hurt or killed a loved one....I hope you never have to find out


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladybones View Post
    "A typical female point of view...highly subjective, zero objectivity, and an incredible lack of the 'Bigger Picture!' Lets thank GOD your gender do not run the World...seriously, otherwise we all would of been 'vaporised' a long time ago!!! "

    From someone who 'admits' driving 3 times over them limit.
    Since I came to look at this forum. Its full of people trying to justify their drink driving .

    For may of you its not if, but when you kill someone or leave your family to pick up the pieces.

    I live the bigger picture with the pain and suffering the likes of you cause. Those of you who seem to think you have been hard done by, perhaps need to wake up before you kill somone.
    I would like to see drunk driving on a par with attempted murder...but then I am a typical female, highly subjective with zero objectivity who thinks drunk drivers are all murderers in waiting and vapourisation would be too good a way out for you. I personally dont want to run the world but your gender are not doing a great job either.
    I wonder how you would feel if a drunk driver hurt or killed a loved one....I hope you never have to find out
    I can understand your point of view completely. I would imagine that you get very fed up, as a nurse, being accused of being overweight, lazy, of killing your patients by neglect and not giving a toss and of generally belonging to about the unhealthiest class of professions yet still taking the time to lecture others on their own short comings.

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    "Since I came to look at this forum. Its full of people trying to justify their drink driving"

    That is not true. Most people who post on here do so freely admitting their stupidity and vocally disappointed in themselves.

    People looking for legal advice may well list what they believe to be 'mitigation', purely because they are posting to a solicitor who specialises in drink driving and are trying to find out what sentence they might achieve. - and whether the mitigation could affect the outcome.

    "I would like to see drunk driving on a par with attempted murder...but then I am a typical female, highly subjective with zero objectivity who thinks drunk drivers are all murderers in waiting".

    Well, you said it.

    Murder is premeditated - i.e. you set out to purposely end somebody's life and with a motive to do so. Driving whilst over the limit differs because it is negligent - i.e. that those who do it intend nobody harm - but fail to balance the benefits to themselves (i.e. convenience), with the potential hazards (i.e. injury etc). Maybe attempted manslaughter - but then that's an oxymoron isn't it (it would be negligence).

    I understand your preconceptions of those who have been convicted of drink driving. However, I will point out that most people who drive regularly, and who drink alcohol, have at some time in their life driven whilst over the limit - be it consciously or unwittingly. Furthermore, It is vgery easy to say postulate how you would respond to an emergency - it is another thing when you are experiencing it.

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    "I can understand your point of view completely. I would imagine that you get very fed up, as a nurse, being accused of being overweight, lazy, of killing your patients by neglect and not giving a toss and of generally belonging to about the unhealthiest class of professions yet still taking the time to lecture others on their own short comings."

    While I may be 'overweight' I do not lecture my patients regarding their weight, If they smoke, I advise regarding action of cigarettes and reduced availabilty of oxygen when given an anaesthetic, leaving the patent to decide for themselves. I advise re excessive alcohol intake- they are over 18 they pay for it I dont. I dont drink or smoke and they subsidise my taxes....so I thank them for that. I personally currently work probably in excess of 10 hours unpaid overtime a week to ensure my patients needs are met and I dont see many of my colleagues sloping off on time ignoring call bells. I have yet to be accused of allowing a patient in my care die through neglect.
    I have several good taxi firms close by if I wanted to go out for a drink. If I go out and drive I do not drink alcohol and I am very careful not to leave my drink unattended. I actually practice what I preach, so have no qualms about making the comments I have.

    "Murder is premeditated - i.e. you set out to purposely end somebody's life and with a motive to do so. Driving whilst over the limit differs because it is negligent - i.e. that those who do it intend nobody harm - but fail to balance the benefits to themselves (i.e. convenience), with the potential hazards (i.e. injury etc). Maybe attempted manslaughter - but then that's an oxymoron isn't it (it would be negligence)".

    It has been proven as little as 0.2 mgs/100mls of blood can affect driving while not illegal I could see that as manslaughter. Those with illegal levels are doing so consciously both drinking and driving with very little thought until caught, I think in this instance more than a manslughter charge should be made.

    "I will point out that most people who drive regularly, and who drink alcohol, have at some time in their life driven whilst over the limit - be it consciously or unwittingly. Furthermore, It is vgery easy to say postulate how you would respond to an emergency - it is another thing when you are experiencing it."

    Just as they/you 'justify' drinking and then driving a car I can 'justify' my preconceptions as a result of having to spend weeks or months caring for their victims or even the drivers intoxicated sometimes out of their heads.

    I have seen enough and have had my rant. I can leave, having seen for myself, some of the stories here which give me a picture of those who have inflicted the suffering of innocent victims of drunk drivers.
    It also shows me a side of drunk drivers I never understood before.
    My Professional duty however will never make me give them less than they need no matter what they did. I wouldnt give them the satisfaction.

    I am off to look for a delete button and do not plan to return.

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    bye............

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    Blimey,
    I'm glad that woman isn't part of one of them stupid advice quango's.

    'Let's advise the government to string them up and hang them.'

    Everyone makes mistakes. Out of people I know 40% drink and drive. Respected businessmen, respected businesswomen. The unemployed, tradesmen, etc. You get my point.

    I'm not trying to justify it but everyone makes mistakes.

    And to get back on subject, I think that the punishment for drink driving is far too harsh. It is also a punishment which most people dont see:
    Loss of job, Loss of wife, Loss of trust within family.

    Its an incredibly stressfull and depressing time.

    I have been through the worst few weeks of my life since I was arrested for drink driving. If I lose my job, what hope have I got?

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    Default Re: Are the drink driving laws in the UK adequate?

    I agree with some of the other posts that point out that a ban can affect different people in radically different ways.

    To a young lad living with his folks, who can use public transport to get to work - a ban will be just a minor inconvenience.

    To a self-employed plumber (to use a previous poster's example), a ban could be capable of destroying his life and that of his family. He'll lose his job, his house - this will have the severest impact on his wife and kids, who are innocent of any crime.

    My cousin got caught in Atlanta, USA, some years back. He was allowed to still use his vehicle for work purposes only.

    A much more sensible way of doing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladybones View Post
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    I would like to see drunk driving on a par with attempted murder...but then I am a typical female, highly subjective with zero objectivity who thinks drunk drivers are all murderers in waiting and vapourisation would be too good a way out for you. I personally dont want to run the world but your gender are not doing a great job either.
    I wonder how you would feel if a drunk driver hurt or killed a loved one....I hope you never have to find out
    Blimey ! I think you have some serious mental issues Ladybones ! instead of reminding me and no doubt others of a disgusting racist with strong comparisons to Hitler and the Third Reich perhaps look at seeing a qualified medical professional paid for by yourself not on the NHS.

    The whole vapourisation comment is pretty disturbed, sick and worrying I hope you do the world a favour and get help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJP View Post
    I agree with some of the other posts that point out that a ban can affect different people in radically different ways.
    We live in a rural area with no public transport, and my son's ban hit him (and me too, as unpaid chauffeur) much harder than it would have hit someone living in a town with a railway station or bus stop just down the road. Perhaps the length of ban ought to take things like this into account?

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    As someone who is about to be banned through drink driving I'd say yes and actually probably too severe possibly.

    I'm not trying to defend myself or my actions but all I will say is that I made a mistake. I didn't hurt myself or anyone else. I didn't crash or cause damage to anything. I didn't infringe any other motoring laws (eg speeding or running a red light). There was hardly another car on the road and I had a 4 minute journey from where my car was parked to my home.

    It's my first offence of any kind in my 36 years. The upset, shame and humiliation of being arrested and charged is enough to never want to put a glass to my lips again.

    Will a 12,18,22 month ban punish me? Yes. Would a 6 month or less ban do the same? Yes.

    In my case, given that no-one else was involved and no-one or nothing came to any harm (yes and I realise they could have - but they didn't), and it's my first offence, is a 17 mth ban over the top? It's not as if I am a habitual offender. Yes it will be irritating but its not vital that I drive for my job (although convenient) however, I could be subject to a disciplinary. If I lose my job then I lose everything and what really does that serve to do?

    Some may say it serves me right but really, does it?
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